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QUERY FROM SHEILAR
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Dear Nguyen and Abrar,
There is one case that I would like to hear your opinion:
1. LC (issued by xxx Bank, Kenya) stipulating:
Available with: Bank A, Shanghai by negotiation
Drawee: Bank A, Shanghai
Personally, I think the drawee should have been the issuing bank, as Bank A, Shanghai is the nominated negotiating bank in this arrangement.
2. The LC later authorized Bank A Shanghai to add confirmation and amended the drawee as the issuing bank!
I think this is unreasonable to change the drawee, because Bank A Shanghai which is now the confirming bank should be drawee if the beneficiary wants to present documents to the confirming bank.
What concern me are:
1. Technically speaking, which should be the drawee if the nominated negotiating bank is also as a confirming bank?
2. From the legislative perspective, if the drawee is the issuing bank, would Bank A Shanghai (with duel role of a negotiating bank and also a confirming bank) be precluded from claiming its right of recourse if it effects the payment to the beneficiary?
As we are considering the financing possibility (such as forfeiting), I need to do some risk assessment for this one.
Thanks and best regards
Sheilar
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COMMENTS
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Dear Sheilar,
1) Technically, under LC available by negotiation with the confirming bank the draft should be drawn on the issuing bank or on a nominated bank other than the confirming bank.
However, it is agreed that the fact that the draft is required to be drawn on the confirming bank under LC available by negotiation with the confirming bank is quite common. If so, the confirming bank must PAY and not negotiate.
2) In line with the above, the amendment is correct. If the LC is available with the confirming bank by negotiation of the draft drawn on the issuing bank, the confirming bank must negotiate without recourse to the beneficiary (UCP 600 sub-article 8 (a)(ii)).
Best regards,
Nguyen Huu Duc
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Thank you, Nguyen.
I understand that under UCP600, a confirming bank could not claim right of recourse to the beneficiary ( UCP600 art.8 aii).
But when the confirming bank requires a draft with the drawee as the issuing bank, I guess they intend to claim reimbursement from the issuing bank as a bona find holder. What I really don’t understand is : a bona find holder under Exchange Act is entitled to claim recourse to its predecessors, do you think whether this stipulation of Exchange Act would change the confirming bank’s position under the LC?
Thanks and best regards
Sheilar
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Dear Sheilar
Not wishing to dwell on the point as to why banks still insist on requiring sight drafts under LCs, I would agree with Nguyen’s comments, the main focus of which is that a bank cannot negotiate drafts drawn on itself; it can only negotiate drafts drawn on a bank other than itself. I also agree that even if the LC is stated to be available by negotiation, as a confirming bank with sight drafts drawn on itself, the act of honouring the presentation would constitute Payment, and not Negotiation.
Whether the confirming bank pays under drafts drawn on itself, or whether it negotiates drafts drawn on the issuing bank; in both cases, payment to the beneficiary is without recourse. Since the draft in this case, is entwined with the LC, the fact that the draft may be subsequently dishonoured by the drawee (issuing bank) would not in my view, provide for the opportunity by the confirming bank to seek recourse to the drawer, as might normally be the case, had we not been considering a confirmed LC transaction. The non-recourse nature of payment by an issuing/confirming bank would always be paramount, and be upheld by the courts, regardless of whether or not a draft was involved.
However, outside an LC transaction, recourse in respect of dishonor could be sought under s 43(2) and s 47(2) of the Bills of Exchange Act 1882, or equivalent provisions under other relevant Acts.
Regards
Abrar
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Hi Sheilar,
I see that if the draft is drawn on the confirming bank, the confirming bank is the drawee, i.e., the party ordered to make payment and not the bona fide holder or the holder in due course. Such a draft shall not necessarily be included in the documents presented by the confirming bank to the issuing bank for reimbursement.
Best regards,
Nguyen Huu Duc
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Dear Nguyen,
I agree.
But what I consider is this case:”the confirming bank requires a draft with the drawee as the issuing bank” .(this situation would render the confirming bank as a bona find holder.) What I really don’t understand is : a bona find holder under Exchange Act is entitled to claim recourse to its predecessors, do you think whether this stipulation of Exchange Act would change the confirming bank’s position under the LC?
By the way, many thanks for Abrar’s comment (very convincing, I could hardly argue against him!).
Thank you
Sheilar
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Dear Sheilar
Pending Nguyen’s comments, my view is that if the confirming bank requires the beneficiary to draw a draft on the issuing bank, presumably to preserve the confirming bank/’s rights both as a holder in due course, and also to preserve its rights as a nominated and confirming bank under the LC, it appears that the confirming bank is acting in two different directions. On the one hand, it has obligations under the LC to honour complying documents, by negotiating the draft and documents without recourse, and on the other hand, it is attempting to preserve its rights as a “holder in due course”, to recourse on the drawer/beneficiary in the event of dishonour of the draft by the issuing bank.
The latter course would be reasonable if the negotiation were to be effected with recourse (i.e without confirmation), and full protection would be offered under the relevant Bills of Exchange legislation, but the same could not be said to be true under a confirmed LC, where the honour/dishonour of the sight draft drawn on the issuing bank is taken out of the equation, on account of UCP provisions taking precedence.
Best regards
Abrar
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Dear Sheilar,
I think Abrar’s comment is clear enough. No need to add more comment.
Best regards,
Nguyen Huu Duc
anonymous
December 12, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Anonymous writes:Dear Mr Old ManIn this case, may I ask you a question about the risk of issuing bank would undertake after accepting the request of confirming bank to amend the L/C for drafts to be drawn on itself?Thank and best regards
mroldmanvcb
December 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Risks if any are the same whether the draft is drawn on the issuing bank or on the confirming bank. The issuing bank must reimburse the confirming bank that has honoured or negotiated the complying documents.
anonymous
December 14, 2012 at 2:12 am
Anonymous writes:Dear Mr. Old Man,Thank for your reply. If the LC later authorized Bank A Shanghai to add confirmation and amended the drawee as the issuing bank, does this amendment need acceptance of applicant and beneficiary as stated in article 10 UCP600?Thank you in advance.Regards,
mroldmanvcb
December 14, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Hi,In my opinion, drafts are not part of the documents required under Field 46A, hence, the fact whether drafts are drawn on the confirming bank or the issuing bank is not the beneficiary’s concern. So, there’s no need for the beneficiary‘s acceptance. The applicant is not a party to L/C, hence, there’s no need for the applicant’s acceptance. What’s more, Article 10 does not require the appicant’s agreement to amendment(s).Best regards,Mr. Old Man
anonymous
January 9, 2014 at 11:01 pm
Anonymous writes:Dear Mr Old Man,re your comments "If so, the confirming bank must PAY and not negotiate."- What's the diff between PAY and Negotiate?- Would issuing bank prefers drawee to be itself or confirming bank , and whyThank you.
mroldmanvcb
January 10, 2014 at 9:01 am
Why PAY and not NEGOTIATE?NEGOTIATION is defined in Article 2 of UCP 600 as the purchase by the nominated bank of drafts (DRAWN ON A BANK OTHER THAN THE NOMINATED BANK) and/or documents under a complying presentation, by advancing or agreeing to advance funds to the beneficiary on or before the banking day on which reimbursement is due to the nominated bank.I would like to add: The nominated bank, which agrees to act on its nomination, will PAY AT A REDUCTION EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF INTEREST THAT WILL ACCUMULATE BEFORE IT MATURES.The above definition does not apply to the case where drafts are drawn on the nominated bank. Like the issuing bank that will PAY and not NEGOTIATE the draft drawn on itself, the nominated bank, which agrees to act on its nomination, will PAY and not NEGOTIATE the draft drawn on itself.Notwithstanding the above analysis, practice has shown that confirming bank under LC available by negotiation would insist drafts drawn on itself and that the confirming bank would NEGOTIATE (without recourse) and not PAY.Would the issuing bank prefer drawee to be itself or confirming bank?Where the LC is available by negotiation of drafts with the confirming bank, it is advisable that drafts be drawn on the issuing bank and not the confirming bank. Where the LC is available by negotiation of drafts with a nominated bank other than the confirming bank, LC can require drafts to be drawn on the confirming bank. As you see, it depends on LC availability that drafts are required to be drawn on the issuing bank, the confirming bank or the nominated bank other than the confirming bank.
anonymous
January 14, 2014 at 1:01 pm
Anonymous writes:Dear Mr Old man, Thanks for your reply.Another question, why would a confirming bank request to be the drawee when LC is confirmed by them? Regards
mroldmanvcb
January 14, 2014 at 1:01 pm
I guess: Either 1) The confirming bank might not know that such bad practice conflicts with LC available by negotiation.Or 2) The confirming bank might believe that where drafts are drawn on the confirming bank, the beneficiary must present the documents to the confirming bank.